witch has more power?
witch is more accurate?
witch has the better look?
what has higher range?
witch is more reliable
ammo price?
price has to been around $700
please tell me what you think is the better gunWhat rifle is better for hunting?
As for the cartridges, 7mm Mag and 30-06 load out almost exactly the same for powder/bullet weight. 7 Mag does have some sectional density advantages till the 30-06 gets to the 165 grains,then the 30-06 has advantages. (The 7 x 57 Mauser is a smaller cartridge than the 7 Mag,not quite as powerful,but is a wonderful deer cartridge,even for elk. )
Both cartridges would be acceptable to 400 yards for ethical deer hunting,that is pretty close to cartridge/bullet and hunter optics effective limits too.
Each gun is individual in accuracy,buying factory ammo you have to find the best match to YOUR rifle. I hand load and my 30-06 has sub MOA accuracy for 5 shot groups. Any modern quality rifle/ammo combination should provide a 3 shot group of under 2 inches with proper selection of that ammo. Some rifles shoot one type factory ammo amazingly well,something else is totally different.
Cost for 30-06 factory ammo is normally slightly less,but might be only a 5-10% difference.
As for reliability and looks, that depends on the rifle you choose.
If I'm spending $700 on just the rifle the first I'm looking for is a CZ 550,then a Sako A7 near that price. They both retail higher than $700 but are normally near that for real world pricing. I own Browning A-Bolts, and like their ergonomics,but they are normally above $700 when not on sale. You can sometimes find Remington Model 700s on sale for $400 at Cabela's,and if you are spending more than $600 on a Remington you need to look at other rifles. Savage makes a good entry-mid level rifle, and the Howa 1500/Weatherby Vanguard line is a real value at $425-$450--less at WalMarts that sell rifles. WalMart has Remington 700s for $450 most of the time too. Ruger makes a very solid rifle,and I prefer their stainless over the blue models. they are normally $600-$700.
My preference is to purchase 30-06,simply because the ammo is more readily available anywhere, and you have a wide selection of loadings from every ammo manufacturer and every rifle maker has a 30-06 in it's line-up.
EDIT: Not to be mean but Soccermaniac should consult a reloading manual or five,or at least understand external ballistics and terminal performance ballistics. 308 is a smaller cartridge than 30-06,and provides less velocity. 270 is a lighter bullet on average and loses momentum and velocity faster than a 30-06,thus it isn't ';flatter shooting'; after 200 yards. 7mm is .284 diameter while 30-06 is .308 diameter,so for same weight bullet the .284 is longer--that is sectional density and ballistic co-efficient difference. Do some research and don't rely on folklore.What rifle is better for hunting?
Well they are both distance guns with about the same price for good ammo give or take a few dollars. The 7mm will have better take down power at further distances but the 30-06 will still get the job done. Either way you've got your deer as long as the scope is accurate. The 7mm bullet is bigger so it will drop slightly more the further the shot than the 30-06 will. If you don't need distance shots i would go with a 30-30 thats what i use and it has never failed. It will drop a deer at 100yds and is a good brush gun which means the bullet won't sway because of brush. For long distances i use a 308 just because i believe it to be more powerful and extremely accurate compared to the 30-06 and 270. You can get the gun in any kind of finish that you want, some will just cost more. For more info you can look up specifics for these guns and how the different grain bullets will effect the shot at certain distances.
Both are excellent, very well established big game cartridges. As for a first rifle, you can't go wrong with either and it just depends on true needs. In my experience, the .30-06 has excellent knock down on close up whitetails, it is that simple. It has the bullet weight and muscle to plow through a deer's frame, and just kills like lightning. While the .30-06 is my ';close-up'; choice, the 7mm Mag is better for long range. I've shot deer at close range in the woods, and it just doesn't seem to knock the deer over. Yes, it is very powerful, but those bullets just seem to rip through deer due to the higher velocity. But at long range, the 7mm is the obvious choice. It shoots flatter than the .30-06, and when it strikes the deer, it'll be going faster with more energy. As for reliability, both have been counted on for many years. You will have no trouble finding ammo for either in sporting good stores, and the 7mm costs only slightly more than the '06. So to sum it up, I can't tell you which is my ';favorite'; because both have their purposes, and they fill those purposes quite nicely. Bottom line, if shots are going to be under 250 yards, go with the .30-06. If you can expect to routinely take 300+ yards shots, then go with the 7mm. Might I also add, be careful shooting long distance, and just use your head. It is harder to hit targets at long range, and a smart hunter will be reasonable with the range they are capable of shooting at ethically. Good luck on the choice.
There are several 7mm chamberings, so you'll have to be a bit more specific. Some of the 7 mm cartridges will put a 150 grain bullet out there a bit faster than the equivalent 165 grain bullet in a 30-06, others a bit less. And since the same rifle is often offered in both 30-06 and two or three different 7mm chamberings, the accuracy, looks, and such will be a moot point.
a lot of valid info has already been proferred, but the plain fact is most of us will go our entire hunting life without ever encountering an animal who would react differently if shot with a .308 vs. a .30-06 vs a .270 vs. a 7mm.
If you are exclusively shooting at long range, then go with a Magnum, either 7mm or .300.
If you hunt only in thick woods, a .308 or 7mm-08 carbine would be good.
But for darn near everything everywhere, nobody ever went wrong with a .30-06.
Here are some comparison specs of the two calibers.
http://www.remington.com/products/ammuni鈥?/a>
You can see here how many more choices there are on the '06:
http://www.remington.com/products/ammuni鈥?/a>
As far as the better look, that's a question only you can answer. What some people like, others don't. I saw a Weatherby Vanguard at Wal-Mart the other day at (I think) around $400 with a scope, and I have a friend who has one and loves it. One of the best all-round bolt action guns I'm somewhat familiar with is the Remington 700. My brother-in-law has 4 of them in different calibers, and he won't buy anything else.
The prices on the ammo is probably comparable, except that there are a lot more choices in .30-06, and you can get a lot of bullet weights and load sizes, and buy them just about anywhere.
What kind of deer? Puny PA white tails or are we talking western Mule Deer? Big difference in size and require different calibers.
Are you going to want to hunt ground hogs long range? What else are you going to hunt with the gun? Where do you live? If most of your hunting is done is dense, brush covered land, you want a different gun than if you're hunting in wide open spotty forrest and fields. How long will you possibly be shooting?
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.308 remington model 700
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